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RE: Force Protection Condition Change - olfart - 03-31-2026
Here's a link to the Barksdale dilemma...
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/drone-swarm-over-barksdale-base-highlights-us-air-defense-gaps/ar-AA1ZJ8sG
Legal Authority That Creates a Reactive Bind
The statute that governs military counter-drone action on domestic soil is 10 U.S. Code Section 130i, which defines “covered facilities and assets” and spells out what actions commanders may take against unmanned aircraft. On paper, the law permits detection, tracking, and in some cases neutralization of drones that threaten protected sites. In practice, the statute imposes coordination requirements with civilian law enforcement and federal agencies that slow response times considerably.
Section 130i also carries reporting requirements and, critically, sunset provisions that place its authorities on a timer. That expiration risk means military planners cannot build long-term counter-drone programs with confidence that the legal backing will persist. The result is a system biased toward passive monitoring: bases can watch drones overhead, catalog them, and file reports, but taking active measures to disable or capture an intruder requires clearing procedural hurdles that commercial drones can outpace. Analysis from legal scholars at Cornell underscores the statute’s narrow scope, noting how the defined categories of permissible action and the jurisdictional boundaries between military and civilian agencies create friction at the exact moment speed matters most.
RE: Force Protection Condition Change - Rampy - 03-31-2026
Barksdale did try jamming them but it failed, the AF has drone jamming capability but on AI or wire guided drones that does not work
RE: Force Protection Condition Change - specops56 - 03-31-2026
Seems like a tank might have worked.
Terry
RE: Force Protection Condition Change - olfart - 03-31-2026
Solid or exploding munitions are not a good choice in an urban environment, which Barksdale is, very much.
RE: Force Protection Condition Change - specops56 - 03-31-2026
(03-31-2026, 06:31 PM)olfart Wrote: Solid or exploding munitions are not a good choice in an urban environment, which Barksdale is, very much.
Depends on the urban area. Chicago for instance.
Terry
RE: Force Protection Condition Change - MontanaLon - 04-01-2026
(03-31-2026, 02:28 AM)Rampy Wrote:You can track them on ADSB as long as they are using their transponder. https://globe.adsbexchange.com/ up in the right corner you will see a U next to H and T. Click the U and it filters to all military aircraft. It has gotten to be a pain in the ass with ads though.(03-31-2026, 12:21 AM)MontanaLon Wrote: Not a drill, this is real world. Another interesting thing, they have been flying Global Hawks along the Mexico border pretty much non-stop for the last few days. They may have been doing it all along but they are doing it in the open now.
Been looking at YouTube and it’s got some interesting audio clips of EWO’s in the clear ‘ the E4B switching call signs to Area 51 call signs instead of Order66
I need to figure out again how to track military aircraft
(03-31-2026, 06:31 PM)olfart Wrote: Solid or exploding munitions are not a good choice in an urban environment, which Barksdale is, very much.The old tank "beehive" rounds full of flechettes would do nicely. But people would be pissed about the amount of tire popping going on after one was fired.
RE: Force Protection Condition Change - MontanaLon - 04-01-2026
(03-31-2026, 09:21 AM)olfart Wrote: Barksdale has no anti-aircraft defenses.
No one has antiaircraft defenses in the US.
RE: Force Protection Condition Change - Rampy - 04-01-2026
(04-01-2026, 12:15 AM)MontanaLon Wrote:(03-31-2026, 09:21 AM)olfart Wrote: Barksdale has no anti-aircraft defenses.
No one has antiaircraft defenses in the US.
DC is protected by anti air defense as is the Florida White House and other sensitive locations
Actually the USAF does also in limited amounts but they are scrambling to get more anti drone weapons
they are purchasing 5.56 anti drone ammunition from Ukraine as well as 308 & 50 cal anti drone ammunition
RE: Force Protection Condition Change - tommag - 04-01-2026
(04-01-2026, 04:46 AM)Rampy Wrote:I thought the anti-drone rounds were an April fools thing but I looked it up. Interesting concept, a bullet designed to fall apart at 15-50 meters, creating a small pattern of fragments.(04-01-2026, 12:15 AM)MontanaLon Wrote:(03-31-2026, 09:21 AM)olfart Wrote: Barksdale has no anti-aircraft defenses.
No one has antiaircraft defenses in the US.
DC is protected by anti air defense as is the Florida White House and other sensitive locations
Actually the USAF does also in limited amounts but they are scrambling to get more anti drone weapons
they are purchasing 5.56 anti drone ammunition from Ukraine as well as 308 & 50 cal anti drone ammunition
https://www.armyrecognition.com/news/army-news/2025/test-of-new-u-s-5-56-mm-anti-drone-round-creates-close-range-fragment-cloud-on-fpv-drones
RE: Force Protection Condition Change - Rampy - 04-01-2026
(04-01-2026, 07:31 AM)tommag Wrote:(04-01-2026, 04:46 AM)Rampy Wrote:I thought the anti-drone rounds were an April fools thing but I looked it up. Interesting concept, a bullet designed to fall apart at 15-50 meters, creating a small pattern of fragments.(04-01-2026, 12:15 AM)MontanaLon Wrote:(03-31-2026, 09:21 AM)olfart Wrote: Barksdale has no anti-aircraft defenses.
No one has antiaircraft defenses in the US.
DC is protected by anti air defense as is the Florida White House and other sensitive locations
Actually the USAF does also in limited amounts but they are scrambling to get more anti drone weapons
they are purchasing 5.56 anti drone ammunition from Ukraine as well as 308 & 50 cal anti drone ammunition
https://www.armyrecognition.com/news/army-news/2025/test-of-new-u-s-5-56-mm-anti-drone-round-creates-close-range-fragment-cloud-on-fpv-drones
Did not know they were being made stateside, the report I saw was where Ukraine has has decent success with them & the AF was purchasing some
AF Cops carry 120rds of 5.56 so I’m guessing they can take 30 or 60 & replace em with the anti drone ammo